Rebecca is a mom, wife, family historian and Tudor enthusiast. Her passion for the Tudor dynasty began while she was researching her own family history. While working on her maternal grandmother’s side of the family she had traced them back to Margaret Tudor, sister to Henry Vlll and queen consort of Scotland. How exciting – related to the Tudors! — Unfortunately, no. She had missed an error in one of the branches of the tree which led her away from the Tudor line. That is what started her interest in learning more about the Tudors, all things Tudors and monarchs in general.
She writes the Tudors blog — TudorsDynasty.com as well as the popular corresponding Facebook Page.
Check out her blog on Thomas Seymour at https://thomasseymourblog.wordpress.com/
She also has a podcast: You can learn all about it and support her work on her Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/tudorsdynasty/
Links to the books Rebecca recommended:
GW Bernard: Power and Politics in Tudor England
David Loades: The Seymours of Wolf Hall
Video Transcript:
Rebecca Larson
Tudors Dynasty
Heather: So, Rebecca, I know you really have a thing for Thomas Seymour, he has a soft spot in your heart, right? So to start with, can you tell me a little bit about about his life and then I’d like to debunk some of the myths around him.
Rebecca: I love talking about Thomas Seymour and I’m pretty sure everybody on my Facebook page is tired of me talking about Thomas Seymour and writing posts about him, articles about him; but to me his like Anne Boleyn, it’s a tragic story and I look at it from a different perspective, I think, than most people do; the first person that I’ve seen that has come close to giving him a fair shake is professor G.W. Bernard, I’ve been reading his essay over and over and he’s finally somebody who seems to stand back and look at it.
But, anyway, Thomas Seymour; we don’t know a whole lot about his youth, just because he was born as country gentry, he was the fourth son, so there’s not a whole lot that we know; we do know that he was born in Wiltshire, presumably at Wolf Hall, the son of John Seymour and Marjorie Whitmore, Marjorie was actually descendant of Edward the Third, so in her veins she had a little bit of royal blood; John Seymour, in the other hand, is descendant from what they believe, a gentleman by St. Maur who came with William the Conqueror, so a lot of history in England this family has, that’s kind of exciting there.
He had 9 siblings, he was the fourth son and it is also believed he was the fourth child, and the reason why that’s believed is because Henry the Eighth had made a comment to his father, John Seymour, about how all he could do a Seymour son, and so that’s where that idea comes from, that he’s the fourth in ten and that he is older than Jane; and that’s something I use in my book as well, I make him older like the older brother. We don’t know a whole lot about his education, it’s said later on that he wasn’t very keen to learning and some of that is attributed to the fact that he was probably taught by one of his father’s chaplains, who maybe wasn’t that well educated himself, and so Thomas didn’t learn as much or wasn’t as interested in learning as he would’ve been had he been taught by, let’s say, a well-known tutor, and he is said to have definitely known english, surprise right?, and he knew french, which he probably learned during his service with Sir Francis Bryan when he was an Ambassador of France and he probably knew very little latin, and they attributed that probably to his early education.
As far as when he came to court, actually I’ll backtrack a little bit, it’s believed that, as the fourth son, that usually you’re going to be promised to the church, it appears that Sir John Seymour decided that his son instead would be promised for court, he had raised him to be in court; which I think says a lot about Thomas, that maybe he wasn’t all that into religion, that’s my perspective of it, maybe he wasn’t that interested in religion and so his dad was like “ok, we’ll train you for court instead” when he exactly arrived at court is kind of debatable at the moment; we know for sure that in 1530 that he was a servant for Francis Bryan, it’s also believed that he may have arrived at court between 1525 and 1526, and one of the things I read in the annals of the Seymours, of course is not a contemporary source, but they said that he arrived in 1525-1526 and trained in the profession of arms, it took me a long time to understand what the profession of arms was exactly so I talked with a few historian friends to figure out what it was, and I believe he was just training for the military, and I’m pretty sure both men were trained that way; for what I understand, it was before Henry the Eighth had formed like a King’s Army so they were just training for combat.
So he would have trained for combat, he may have also had a minor role in the King’s household, maybe like a yeoman, usher, something along those lines, we just don’t know for certain, we don’t know for certain, we do know he was in the service of Francis Bryan and he was responsible for carrying document letters back and forth between Francis and the King, surely he would’ve gotten noticed by the king delivering these letters, and then of course his sister comes into the picture as Anne Boleyn’s favor begins to fall with the King and that’s when things start to change for his family, his brother Edward of course, later Duke of Somerset and, who’s the eldest surviving son of John Seymour got more acknowledgements than Thomas because he was the older brother, I think he was also the more responsible brother, I think Thomas was, the best phrase I could use is reckless.”
I definitely believe he was ambitious and as the fourth son I can kind of relate to him a little because I’m number 3 out of 4, so when you’re the third child out of four or when you’re the fourth out of ten, you’re constantly looking for that attention, you want somebody to notice you; and I think that sometimes causes a little bit of narcissistic tendencies, and I definitely believe he was narcissistic. This is sometimes that I’ve recently just come to realize; my husband and I talk a lot about narcissism, Does that make us narcissists [laughs] we talk about it a lot because we see it a lot, I think, in our culture, and in our politics maybe; and when I talk to him about Thomas, he comes to me one time and says “it sounds to me that he’s a narcissist” and I stopped and I said “oh my God, I think you’re right, how have I never realized that before?” With that in mind, it was always about him, he always wanted to be noticed and he was Thomas, we’re all humans and I see some of those traits in myself too, I think that’s why I’m so sympathetic toward him, because he made some bad choices, he wasn’t a bad person.
Heather: So you said everything changed when Jane was getting noticed so he kind of has a major role there to play, but then he has his next major role is with the courtship of Katherine Parr and getting sent away and everything. So can you talk to me about the start, about what happened under Jane? How his family rose, I suppose, out of that.
Rebecca: I’ll focus definitely on Thomas; after Jane became Queen, Edward became, if I remember correctly, that’s when he became Viscount, and then she had Prince Edward, Jane gave birth to Prince Edward, and that’s really when things began to change for them and Edward became Earl of Hertford, and Thomas was knighted, I think it was four days after the christening, but the big thing was that Thomas was one of the six men who carried the canopy over Prince Edward at his christening, which really was only given to people who were in high favor of the King, so we know at that time, regardless if it was a fact that he was his brother in law or not, I really feel that that was quite an honor for Thomas to be able to carry the canopy. After the death of Jane, it all happened so fast, she wasn’t Queen for very long, she had the son and immediately the Seymour family was going to be part of this bigger picture because of Prince Edward, they were a part of the Royal Family indefinitely as long as Prince Edward lived; and then once that happened, he kind of started to get into the picture and Thomas started to get a little bit jealous of things that he saw happening with his brother.
When Henry VIII died, well I should probably backtrack, I’m getting ahead of myself because you asked me about Katherine. When Katherine Parr’s husband -Lord latimer- died, it’s reported that, I think it was the following day they’re saying, that Thomas and Katherine spoke of marriage; so there’s some speculation that Thomas knew Katherine already, maybe through some of the protestant channels or through her brother and that’s how they met; and whether or not they had started to fall in love prior the death of Lord Latimer, we don’t know, I can assume from the Tudors series they show that they were already in love and nobody knew about it, but they had plan to marry, they wanted to marry, and that’s so romantic; he was still young, he had never married before, and he had found this woman, she was going to become a wealthy widow which everybody says he was just after her for her money, he may have been, that was kind of the time; as you know it was all about prestige and power and money and how to make yourself bigger and better.
So anyways, Henry VIII comes into the picture and he gets a fancy for Katherine Parr and he wants to marry her, and she wants to do what she thinks God wants her to do, and this is a sign from God that she needs to marry King Henry; and whether or not Thomas Seymour decides to step away or is sent away is kind of unclear, we do know about this time Henry VIII made him and another gentleman, they were like Ambassadors or something to that effect in the low countries, and they were sent away. So Thomas Seymour could not tell King Henry VIII “you can’t marry her, we already decided to marry” so he goes along with the whole thing, so of course in my mind these two lovebirds are torn apart, it’s such a tragic love story, they’re torn apart and he has to go away, and of course in my mind I think he’s constantly pining for her, wondering if they’ll ever be together again and what were they, married for 3-and-a-half, 4 years before Henry VIII died, one person said it was 34 days after Henry VIII died that Thomas and Katherine were back together again, it’s like such a romance novel, you just can’t not love it, and I just eat it up “oh my God, they’re back together”. And then we hear the stories of Thomas and Elizabeth, and him wanting to marry her and possibly Mary and Anne of Cleves and the drama just continues.
Heather: So, we’ll talk about those in a second too, but continuing the rest of his life, he marries Katherine and then there’s the drama around Elizabeth and all of that, then Katherine dies in childbirth, and he’s got his daughter and that’s such a sad story about her as well, the daughter, but anyways, What does he do and how does he meet his grisly end?
Rebecca: Oh my gosh [laughs] you know, when it comes to Thomas and Katherine Parr, they finally were together, they got married, but they got married without permission, and Katherine is the one who kind of talks Thomas into going to the King -his nephew, Edward VI- prompting him and say “go to him, have him write a letter that allows this marriage that he doesn’t know we already have” and Thomas was successful.
Heather: Did he try and get him to suggest people to marry…
Rebecca: Yes! That’s sort of prior to that, Thomas Seymour had Edward’s servant, John Fowler, in a roundabout way ask him “if your uncle wants to marry, is there someone that you would suggest”, and I believe the first person he said was Anne of Cleves, that it would be nice to have him marry Anne, and then he mentioned Lady Mary because maybe he could help change her mind on religion, of course that’s not the answer that Thomas wanted; and so Thomas goes in basically and gets him convinced that “oh yeah, she should marry me, your uncle, I think that would be great” so he gets him to write a letter that says basically “I think it would be great for you to marry my mother Katherine Parr” and they were already married but now it’s acknowledged and their biggest concern was that the Lord Protector was going to be angry about it, but what could he do?
The King had allowed it to happen; so they go on with they’re married life and katherine becomes pregnant and, the last time I did this talk we talked about the scandals and Stanhope and the fights over the jewels, so Thomas was always defending Katherine and that’s one of the reasons why I feel that he loved her, I feel that he always loved her but he loved himself more, that’s always the problem with Thomas, he always loved himself above everyone else.
Rebecca: So they’re married and she gets pregnant and he seems to be the doting father and constantly talks about the son in her wound, how great it’s going to be, and their letters to each other seem very lovey dovey, I can’t imagine if you didn’t love someone, that you would write those kinds of things; so she gives birth on, I believe is August 30th of 1548 to a daughter, and he’s over the moon, and he’s happy and she’s happy, and then she falls ill, and it’s like five or six days later when she dies and he is heartbroken, he is just devastated by it; there’s a quote and hopefully I can find it but the quote is something to the effect of, you know, that after Katherine died he was so heartbroken and distraught that he couldn’t do anything, he couldn’t focus and life was tough, so I don’t remember who he said it to, I’m not sure the quote is sourced at all, but to me once again it just sounds like he loves her.
So of course after her death and after he’s arrested, there’s all these interrogations of people around him and Elizabeth Tyrwhitt, she was one of Katherine’s servants who was in the bed chamber with Katherine after she gave birth, and her statements basically against Thomas was that she witnessed Katherine saying that she didn’t treat her well, that she was handled poorly and Thomas was there the entire time, he was there holding her hand, and when she went into these, states of confusion, maybe is the best I can describe it as, could be from the fever, it could be from any number of things, she’d just given birth, obviously the infection caused her to say things that weren’t always necessarily true, and so he crawls into bed with her, he tries to ease her mind and he’s saying soothing words into her ear to try to calm her, and yet, Tyrwhitt wants to say all these awful things about Thomas Seymour, of course that he must have poisoned her, something was wrong with her, it’s his fault and he wouldn’t let the doctor come into the room afterwards; to me, I look at that like she was never a fan of Thomas Seymour and you have to keep that in mind, she made herself very vocal at the beginning that she wasn’t a fan of him and so, it’s no surprise to me that she had negative things to say.
Heather: And that kind of takes me to a question that I had which is… it seems that a lot of people had negative things to say about him and I wonder, because there’s the part that says well it’s one thing when only one person says it, it’s maybe one thing when two people say it, but when you have different people of all different sides who all kind of find an agreement on their feelings about Thomas Seymour, it seems to me a little bit more valid; but like you also said, he could be misunderstood and all this other kind of stuff so; where do you think some of that comes from? The idea that so many people seemed to not like him.
Rebecca: Well I think we have to keep in mind when all these negative things were said, it was all after his downfall, before his downfall there wasn’t really much negativity said about him, you know, he was a magnificent man, people loved him,, he dressed well, he got along well with the ladies, once the downfall was happening was when people started to turn against him, I think to protect themselves, because they knew he was falling out of favor with his brother the Lord Protector and he was doing some things that may appear suspicious so to protect ourselves, we´re going to say whatever we can to make him look bad.
Heather: So tell me about that downfall, it seems that it happened very quickly.
Rebecca: He got arrested that night, it was January 16th of 1549 he was arrested for technically killing the King’s dog and attempting to kidnap or kill the King, that was another thing we wanted to talk about, try to debunk that a little bit and look at it from a different perspective, because it’s easy to say “oh well it was reported after the fact, it was reported by an Imperial Ambassador in a letter, it was reported by a german reformist in a letter” but it’s all hearsay to a point they’re rumours, they’re just hearing stuff from other people, they weren’t there and I so wish we had an eyewitness account of that night.
Because we know prior to Thomas Seymour entering Hampton Court Palace that, I don’t know how long before, but he had entered St. James Palace at 9.00 a.m in the morning and made a comment to someone about how the King was poorly guarded and that he had brought more men with him than the King had guarding him and that could cause danger in the future. So on the 16th of January he arrives at Hampton Court, that’s not disputed, he was there so I give you that but then it’s said that people have been saying he dispersed some of the guards to run errands, we’ll start with that; and I have a hard time with that because at this time the Lord Protector had already been telling people that he should not have access to King Edward because in Somerset’s mind it was dangerous that his brother was near the King because he was trying to turn his favor away from himself, so I’m not so sure that he dispersed the guards, but again, we don’t know, it just seems unlikely to me. At some point somebody shoots the dog outside of Edward’s bedchamber, the dog was usually inside the room, but that night he was outside the chamber door, the dog barked, somebody shot the dog, a guard inside the chamber was alerted, gathered other guards and found Thomas Seymour standing there, so I look at that and I say , how long did it take that guard, first of all to gather these other guards before they saw Thomas Seymour.
Heather: Thomas Seymour could have arrived because he heard the shot too.
Rebecca: Exactly, and he had all these men with him so, who knows, maybe one of his men got startled by the dog, shot him and then fled, letting Thomas Seymour take the blame for it and he’s going “I didn’t do it, all I care about was the safety of the king” and that one really bothers me a lot because people really believed it was his intent to kill that dog and try to kidnap and kill the King. Now, with that being said, maybe he did want to kidnap the King, he had talked plenty of times about wanting the king in his possession so it’s possible but in my mind, all he cared about was protecting the king, he wanted Edward to be safe, he wanted Edward to rule in his own right, and I don’t understand how he would say that if it wasn’t for the benefit of his nephew.
Heather: I see, I have a quick question for you going back. When Henry was dying, and Henry named all of the different counselors, and he specifically did not name Thomas, and it was Edward who said “maybe we should put Thomas on here” and Henry said “no, no, we’re not going to put Thomas on” I was trying to think about something negative said about him before his downfall, and that would have been the way someone viewed him before his downfall, why do you think that Henry wouldn’t have wanted him on the council and what do you think about that story?
Rebecca: I struggle with that story in that time in history, because there was so much scheming happening during that time, you know his brother Edward is scheming with other people to make himself Lord Protector, and they say the stamp was used on Henry VIII’s will and did he really want these things, and it makes me wonder, did he really say that he didn’t want Thomas? Or if he did say that, is it because of Thomas’ relationship with Katherine Parr? Was he still punishing him? “I know he’s going to go back with Katherine and that makes me angry” we just don’t know, and then inevitably he did become a member of the council, which is great, but as far as Henry VIII, that’s such a tough one, I wish I could be a fly on the wall to witness what happened in so many of these instances.
Heather: Yes, for sure, so let’s talk about Elizabeth.
Rebecca: [Laughs] Elizabeth, ok, I’m so passionate about Thomas Seymour that sometimes I want to make sure that I’m not clouding my own opinions with my favor for him because I always want to see him as not being the bad guy but there are instances where he made bad choices, I have to keep that in mind. When it comes to princess Elizabeth, let’s just talk about Kat Ashley’s deposition, because that’s where most of this comes from; so in Kat Ashley’s deposition she talks about how Edward Seymour would come into her room in the morning, sometimes when she was reading a bible, sometimes she was still in bed and he would wish her good morrow, and ask her how she’s doing, or he would open the curtains and try to kiss her in the bed and I look at all that; again I try to look at that from an outsider’s perspective; let’s talk about opening the curtains and try to get her out of bed; we know from later on in history that queen Elizabeth was not a morning person so Thomas had probably realized this and opening the curtains was a way to get her up, but when we look at Kat Ashley’s statements about how he would come into the room and he would tickle her in the bed, and he would go into her maids’ chambers and play around with them as well, then we have to look at all the depositions a little bit and say, ok let’s compare this and, I like to compare it maybe to Katherine Howard’s downfall, when Katherine Howard’s downfall happened, how many of her ladies were interviewed, they didn’t take the word of just one person, they made sure to talk to many people.
However, in Thomas’s case it seems that in Elizabeth’s household, as far as women go, they only spoke to Kat Ashley, why don’t we have any depositions from any of her maids? Who were also witnesses, so that to me is a little bit suspicious, you know, we’re talking about three years after Anna Askew was tortured and executed, and she was the first woman to be tortured, so I keep thinking this was probably something when Kat Ashley was arrested and sent to the tower and interrogated, that’s in the back of her mind saying “I could be tortured” so Bernard in his book even talks about how psychological torture may have caused her to say things that maybe weren’t 100% true just to say her hide because she knew “I have to do whatever I can to make him look guilty so that I’m saved” and I think that’s kind of what happened, she may have exaggerated, you know, it’s possible he came into Elizabeth’s room in the mornings, he seemed to have a liking for her, I won’t deny that, but it appears to me that Kat Ashley was just saying whatever she could to protect herself in the long run; and I really have a hard time with her deposition looking at it, you just have to look at it from face value and go “ok she was scared, so she may have exaggerated a lot to make him look guilty”.
Heather: Yeah, Fair enough, I also want to talk about how, you also touched on it, you are also the third child and you kind of understand some of what he was going through as a younger son. How did you get interested? Why Thomas?
Rebecca: [Laughs] People ask me that question all the time and and I really feel there isn’t an easy answer to that, back in 2016 I was approached by a lady and asked if I’d be interested in writing a book about The Tudors, and she asked me “who would you like to write a book about?” and my quick response was Mary Howard, Duchess of Richmond, I just think she was amazing and of all the Tudor women, I am most obsessed with her; and when I couldn’t do a book on her because somebody else with this publisher was already doing a book, it immediately came to mind to me that I should be doing one on Thomas, because to me he is like the Anne Boleyn of the Seymour Family and, like I said before, there’s so much intrigue with him, the story is just insane; there’s love and there’s adventure, and there’s hate and war and love again, it’s just a great story and I feel no one had really done anything on him previously other than John McClane in the late 1800’s and so I felt he really had a story that needed to be told, and as I’ve been unraveling his story in the last two years, it just keeps getting better and better, I’m really looking forward to telling his true story.
Heather: So when is your book going to be published?
Rebecca: Well I set a date out long enough that’d give me plenty of time so right now I’m hoping for it to be done by next fall, so fall of 2019 and it’s going to be like historical fiction so I can fill in the gaps with how I feel things happened and maybe people that he met, and then after that I want to do a biography on him so I can really tell his true story:
Heather: How exciting!
Rebecca: I’d never in a million years would have thought Thomas Seymour would be my person.
Heather: So, you’ve kind of touched on this, the idea that he really loved Katherine Parr, you think they had this great love story.
Rebecca: I do; We did talk about this earlier but in 1543 he was ready to marry her and then the King came in and it’s just so sad that he had to step away from that, when he came back around to her we don’t know for certain, and I say that because I’ve been lately questioning his proposal letter to Elizabeth, we don’t know for certain that she was his second choice; when we look at Elizabeth’s response to his supposed proposal letter, I say supposed because we have no evidence, there is no letter that exists, all we have is the translation of her letter, and that letter no longer also exists; so one person saw it, one person translate it and that’s what we’re reading and if that letter still exists then we’d have that hard evidence, we can make sure that it was written by her.
And I worry a little because in her letter where she rejects him and says, you know, I need to mourn for my husband and for my father, right now is not a good time, and then she goes into it almost leaving too much emotion for Elizabeth, usually Elizabeth’s letters are too stoic and reserved and this letter to me just seems out of character for her and this is something I’ve been talking a lot about on my facebook page, wondering that maybe, is it possible that Kat Ashley wrote the letter for her, that she didn’t feel comfortable writing the letter so she said “will you just respond to him and tell him this“ and then kat Ashley went into it and maybe went a little above and beyond what Elizabeth wanted because she wanted Elizabeth to marry Thomas. So I’ve always wondered about that, did he really proposed to her? Maybe he did, and maybe she rejected him and then he moves on to Katherine.
Heather: Yeah, where did he stand religiously?
Rebecca: It’s funny because there isn’t much really said about him other than; I think it was Hugh Latimer that said he was the man furthest from the fear of God or something along those lines so it was well known that he wasn’t very religious or into that which is funny because katherine Parr of course was and he didn’t go to mass with her when she would go and pray, he would make up excuses to not have to go along with her.
Heather: I’m looking through the questions in the group that people have, trying to see… what on earth could have possessed him to think that the poorly planned and disastrously executed attempt to kidnapping Edward could have even vaguely succeeded, well you kind of addressed that because you don’t necessarily think that he was.
Rebecca: Yeah and they said later on after he was executed that the stuff that he was doing, it seems that he was making a lot of rash decisions and if he had slowed things down a little bit, had he not tried to do so much in such little amount of time that maybe he wouldn’t have been executed.
Heather: It’s funny because you talked about him being a narcissist and actually somebody asked that here in the comments, and in a lot of ways he also seems kind of like manic with a lot of stuff, he gets this idea and then he just runs with it, he doesn’t think it through properly, just calm down for a second.
Rebecca: That’s his reckless nature.
Heather: Was he romantically involved with any other women?
Rebecca: Yeah, I wish we knew, and we always hear about how the women liked him, we don’t know for sure if he was a womanizer, we know he had a way with the ladies; there is no evidence that he was involved with anybody else, surely there had to have been somebody else, he didn’t marry Katherine until he was almost forty, I wish there was something to let us know but there’s just nothing out there to say “hey he was with this woman” the only thing that we’ve heard about is in Hugh Latimer’s sermon that he caused a woman’s death but he doesn’t elaborate on that and I can’t find any more evidence on it so it makes me wonder if he was just further slandering Thomas after his death and going “what an awful man he was, he was executed and here’s another reason why.”
Heather: Well I think you’ve certainly given, I always kid of thought it was and open and shut case, you just think “oh, Thomas Seymour, he’s a jerk” but you’ve certainly given me things to think about with him, with that; and I think all of these people we tend to put them in buckets of good and bad and they’re human and people do stupid things, I do stupid things; I wouldn’t want to be judged by the stupidest things I’ve ever done in my life, if I had a downfall and all that was left were people talking about the stupid things I’ve done in my life, that would not be a good picture.
Rebecca: And you’re right, that’s exactly what happened to him, and I’ve been pleasantly surprised when people make comments after I post a new blog about him, they’ll say things like “you’ve changed my mind about him.”
Heather: Is there anything good that he’s done that we have a record of? It sounds horrible but is there any record like that? Any kind of charitable giving or anything like that?
Rebecca: I wish I could say there is. [laughs]
Heather: An orphan he adopted or something. [both laugh]
Rebecca: I’ll keep looking, see what I can find so. [laughs]
Heather: Giving someone a break on his taxes, anything.
Rebecca: It’s like “You don’t owe me land’s rent this month” we don’t have any of that.
[Both keep laughing]. We know that “He had a magnificent voice, and he dressed well” I don’t even know what that means, “Magnificent voice” was he a good singer of what?
Heather: That’s pretty funny [Laughs] poor Thomas… um… tell me about where people can find you and how people can support you and everything like that.
Rebecca: Of course I have my website that I have my website that I’ve had going on for about 3 years, it’s TudorsDinasty.com and I have my Facebook page which is also called Tudors Dynasty, I have Instagram, I have Twitter, I have Google Plus. you’ve been so supportive to me when it comes to the podcasts and I love it so much. The podcast is a lot of work so props to you for doing yours for so long, because it is so involved.
I had no idea when I got into this how much work a podcast was going to be, but I’ve really enjoyed it, people seem to be responding well to it, which is always amazing to me but… you can find my podcast on Patreon, just Patreon.com/Tudorsdynasty, if you want to become a Patreon and support it, awesome, you can also find me on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, I’m on Spotify as well, I’m still trying to figure out some of that but yeah, I’m almost everywhere.
Heather: Awesome! Awesome. Well thank you so much for being here, thank you for taking your time.
Rebecca: I loved having you again, this was fun.
Heather: Yeah and if people want to learn more about Thomas I want to put in some links in case people are like “I want to learn more about whether or not he was a good guy”
Rebecca: Well I don’t know if you can see this [Shows book to the camera] “Power and Politics in Tudor England” by G.W. Bernard. Tudor Nobility is another one but I haven’t been able to find that book anywhere and I message with Professor Bernard and he told me I can get the same essay in here, this essay is amazing, I just read it again last night because it’s so good. Another good book by David Loades is The Seymours of Wolf Hall.
Heather: I like him.
Rebecca: Yeah, I like him a lot, there are a couple of things there that I might not agree with but for the most part it’s a great book. I also have a blog on Thomas Seymour too, that I started so I can house everything in one place so that one is ThomasSeymourblog.worldpress.com.Heather: That’s great, look at you, awesome… thank you, I’ve enjoyed talking to you.