Rebecca Larson of Tudor Dynasty and Thomas Seymour Society discusses Thomas Seymour and Katherine Parr’s love story at the Tudor Summit 2019.
Rebecca is a mom, wife, family historian and Tudor enthusiast. Her passion for the Tudor dynasty began while she was researching her own family history. While working on her maternal grandmother’s side of the family she had traced them back to Margaret Tudor, sister to Henry Vlll and queen consort of Scotland. How exciting – related to the Tudors! — Unfortunately, no. She had missed an error in one of the branches of the tree which led her away from the Tudor line. That is what started her interest in learning more about the Tudors, all things Tudors and monarchs in general.
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Transcript: Rebecca Larson on Thomas and Katherine: A Love Story?
Heather:
You’re here for the third Tudor Summit. This is the fourth one, but this is your third time!
Rebecca:
The only time I miss one was when my dad was sick, well not sick but when he was in the hospital.
Heather:
Is he a little better?
Rebecca:
Yeah.
Heather:
I’m glad to hear that. I’m glad that you’re here now because I just think you’re the bee’s knees. So each time you’re here you talk about Thomas Seymour.
Rebecca:
The first time I didn’t well maybe he was included. Yes, but he was included. I feel like people are gonna get tired of hearing me talk about Thomas Seymour but it’s what I know best.
Heather:
I don’t think so. I mean you’ve got a niche, you stick with your niche.
Rebecca:
It’s my schtick.
Heather:
Yeah, you’ve got your Thomas Seymour schtick. I love it. So you firmly believe that these two were lovers. That they actually loved each other. That there was a romance.
Rebecca:
Yeah, I do.
Heather:
You’re just romantic when it comes to him.
Rebecca:
Which is weird because I’m not really a romantic. Like when my husband and I first started dating he would write me poetry and stuff, and I was kind of like ‘Eh whatever it’s no big deal.’ Most people would be like oh that’s so romantic and I’m kind of like a dude. “Okay, well thanks.” Just show me love, and that’s all I care about. You don’t have to give me things.
Heather:
Just do the dishes, right?
Rebecca:
Yeah, exactly. But you can’t help but feel the romance and feel the love between these two if you look at it
Heather:
Okay well so now you’ve convinced me. For the skeptics, and I have to say I don’t know that much about Thomas Seymour. I just know that you were in love with him. I know that you have a minority opinion out there. I know that. I’m glad you are sticking with him. I’m glad you’ve taken a position that is a strong position. You’re standing there and you’re planting your flag, I love it. I’m not gonna argue with you. I just know that yours is not necessarily the most popular opinion.
So for those people who are perhaps a little skeptical, tell me why you think they’re so in love. What can you tell me about this love story?
Rebecca:
Well when you look at it from an outsider’s perspective, you can see, people always say he married her for money. He married her for power. That preconceived notion many people have about their relationship, is that he was just using her. If you look at their letters between each other from the beginning of 1547, if you really look at it, you see that these are love letters. This was a love story.
Heather:
So take me back to when they first met, because they have history–
Rebecca:
I think a lot of people know, Katherine Parr was married several times. Her first marriage, she was married to Edward Burgh. If I remember correctly, he died really young. Then she married Baron Latimer, that was his name, John Neville, Baron Latimer. He became very ill. He was older than her as well, and he became very ill. Towards the end of his life, they moved London so that he could be closer to doctors.
During that time then, Katherine Parr got into the household of Lady Mary, Henry’s daughter. It was in that household that not only did she meet Thomas, we believe, but she also met Henry VIII. That’s when he first saw her. So Lady Mary’s household was just like a breeding ground for romance back then. That’s when it’s believed that Thomas and Katherine met, is when she was in Lady Mary’s household in 1533. Then in March of 1543 was when her husband Baron Latimer passed away. So here she is–
Heather
And how old was she then?
Rebecca:
I think she was like 31 at that time, so she wasn’t young by Tudor standards by any means. But she was still young enough. Henry married her, so she must have been attractive. She was, well-educated, well-spoken. I feel like she was probably admired by a lot of people. Maybe she was considered a threat by others, as this wealthy widow.
But we believe that that’s when she and Thomas met. They may have also been in the same religious circles during the time. They could have met that way as well. But it’s interesting to see when we look back at the letters how Thomas and Katherine had become at that time. Because they had talked about getting married. That’s a big deal.
Her husband just died, she meets Thomas, and she’s like, “Here’s this young attractive man with a magnificent voice.” I had to bring that up! How could you resist somebody who’s probably as charming as Thomas was? So we see in the first letter between them, and the first letter was like two weeks after Henry VIII died. They dated roughly around mid-February, and I really want to read some of it to you.
There’s gonna be a lot of reading, so bear with me. But I feel like that’s gonna be the best way to share with you why I feel like these are love letters between them. I’m putting my old lady glasses on here. In the first letter, mid-February 1547, Katherine Parr’s writing to Thomas Seymour and she says:
“I send you my most humble and hearty commendations being desirous to know how you have done since I saw you. I pray you be not offended with me and that I send sooner to you than I said I would, for my promise was but once in a fortnight, by what means I know not except the weeks be shorter at Chelsea than in other places.”
This is the first part of the letter okay. So what we can gather from that is obviously by mid-February these two were still having conversations. We don’t know for sure, maybe they were meeting secretly. Maybe there was a little more going on if she was at Chelsea and she’s talking about the weeks are shorter at Chelsea than at other places. Could it be because Thomas visits her while she’s there?
We know this later on, that he does. But could he already in mid-February have been visiting her at Chelsea? So she’s like, “Oh when I’m here and you’d come to see me, everything’s so exciting, and time goes fast. But when I’m away all I can think about is being with you.” That’s what I take from it. I’m not even a romantic. Maybe I am a little bit.
So then she goes on, this is the important part. She goes on toward the end of the letter and says:
“I would not have you to think that this my honest goodwill toward you to proceed of any sudden motion or passion, for as truly as God is God, my mind was fully bent the other time I was at liberty to marry you before any man I knew, withstood my will therein most vehemently for a time and through His grace and goodness made that possible, which seemeth to me most unpossible was made me to renounce utterly my own will and to follow his will most willingly. “
Then she ends saying:
“I can say nothing but, as my Lady of Suffolk saith, “God is a marvelous man.”
Then she says:
“By hers that is yours to serve and obey during her life.”
Come on. It’s obvious by reading that.
Heather:
She has a thing for him.
Rebecca:
It was probably mostly lust at that point. When they first met, there was a lot of lust, like “Oh this is exciting. This is new. But you think Henry VIII in a way pulled her away from Thomas, and she felt the duty to be Queen of England, and to do what God wanted her to do obviously. So for four years, she couldn’t have this man that she had lusted for so much. Now the time is here and now she’s like a lovesick schoolgirl almost, it sounds like from the letter.
Heather:
It’s almost like God made it happen because he’s still single.
Rebecca:
Exactly. That’s like the best way to start this because clearly she has feelings for him. So then in return of course Thomas writes her back, and during this time he’s in London because obviously this is at the beginning of Edward VI’s reign, and he’s got a lot of work to do. He’s an important figure.
So in his response, he says and, I’m just gonna take little pieces from this:
“and being more desirous to hear from you than as I thought ye desired to hear from me as yesterday in the morning, I had written a letter unto your highness upon occasion that I met with a man of my Lord Marquess, as I came to Chelsea whom I know not.”
So he runs into a man who knows Lord Marquess which I’m assuming is probably William Parr her brother. Apparently, he didn’t know this guy, then he says,
“who told Nicholas Throckmorton that I was in Chelsea Fields with other circumstances which I defer till a more leisure.”
This gentleman is saying basically he, Nicholas Throckmorton was told that Thomas was seen in the fields of Chelsea which we’ve learned later that he’s been sneaking into Chelsea, so this is not long after the mid-February letter that he got from Katherine. People are already talking about seeing him near Chelsea and then he says,
“which letter being finished in my hand there at remember your commandment to me wherewith I threw it into the fire.”
So he’s remembering that she said we shouldn’t write each other for a fortnight. The night before he receives the letter from her he’s feverishly penning a letter to her telling her all of these things. But then he gets to the end and realizes, I can’t send this to her because we made a promise, and he throws it in the fire. Then he says:
“And for that it has pleased you to be first breaker of your appointments I shall desire your highness to receive my thanks for the same.”
So he’s like, “Thank you for being the first one to break it, because I was going to but you did it for me.” I just think it’s so cute. Then he closes it by saying and this. This is kind of interesting to me, he says:
“I beseech your highness to put all fancies out of your head that might bring you in any one thought that I do think that the goodness you have showed me is of any sudden notion as at leisure your highness shall know to both our contentions, and thus for lack of leisure being sent for to my lord my brother I humbly take my leave of your highness.”
So to me that it’s an interesting one when I read that because I can’t tell exactly if he’s kind of warning her a little bit, like, be careful what you put in these letters because some people are gonna be able to see it. It almost, when I read this, well see when he says “to put all fancies out of your head that might bring you in any one thought”, it seems to me like maybe Katherine is pushing a little harder than Thomas for this relationship. She’s like “Let’s just get on with it, and he’s like, “Whoa slow down. We might be going a little too fast.” I’m not sure he wants to go fast, but he understands the implications I think.
Then he ends it, and he says:
“From the body of him whose heart ye have.”
That is so sweet. In the postscript, I think this is so cute, he says:
“I never over read it after it was written wherefore if any fault be, I pray you hold me excused.”
Isn’t that adorable? He’s like, “I wrote this letter really, quick. My handwriting is bad. If I made mistakes, I’m embarrassed and please excuse me.” Like he wants to impress her. I think it’s cute.
Heather:
It’s kinda like when people send emails and say “Pardon the spelling, ’cause it’s sent from my iPhone or whatever.”
Rebecca:
Right. It’s exactly the same thing. So he was just, he’s a little insecure about it, and I think he’s trying to impress her too. His nephew was King so he’s the uncle of the King, which many would think means he’s a very powerful man, but he still has many insecurities as we’re kind of noticing from these letters.
Heather:
Right, and also who knows how he got on with his brother, and he didn’t get that much responsibility for being uncle of the King, so he still needs to prove himself.
Rebecca:
Yeah, and that’s a whole other story.
Heather:
Right, so being the devil’s advocate, could not the case be made that she was pushing for this? Then he saw that there was this opportunity for him to come in and get more power from this lady who clearly wanted him and that maybe that might be what he has planned?
Rebecca:
I can’t disagree with that, I think it’s possible. I think it’s possible for him to have looked at it as a bonus. He’s like, “I had good lot of feelings for this lady four years ago and I can renew those feelings, and as an added bonus now I’m also going to be the husband of a Queen essentially”. You can’t blame him for that. I mean all the men during that time were out for power.
Heather:
Right, for sure. Okay, so let’s see, you wanted to talk about the other letters that followed. So tell me more.
Rebecca:
So now we’ve come to my third letter. The next letter is the first one where there’s any mention of them being married. This one is from Katherine to Thomas, and it’s dated roughly probably April of 1547.
Heather:
So, a couple months later.
Rebecca:
Yes, and so in the letter, and I’m just gonna pick up the main part which kind of talks about their relationship and she says:
“when it shall be your pleasure to repair hither you must take some pain to come early in the morning that you may be gone again by seven o’clock and so I suppose he may come without suspect, I pray you let me have knowledge near night at what hour you will come that your portress may wait at the gate to the fields for you.”
This is where she’s setting up their late night. We already know that they must have been meeting in mid-February but now she’s like “Let’s maybe be a little bit more discreet about this. Come late at night. We’ll make sure that you leave by 7:00 in the morning so that nobody sees you. Then she signs it with:
“By her that is and shall be your humble true and loving wife during her life.”
I know a lot of people don’t believe what I say, but I just kind of give them a chance. You gotta look at this a little differently than I think most people have been looking at it.
Then in the next letter, Thomas writes her and he sounds like he’s a little bit worried that people are starting to figure out what’s going on. He goes to Katherine Parr’s sister’s house. Lady Herbert née Parr and her husband, William Herbert, and he’s dining with them. Lady Herbert is maybe making little hints that she has an idea that there’s something going on between her sister and Thomas, even though they’re supposed to be keeping this secret. So he says and in his letter to Katherine:
“She waited further with me touching my being with your highness at Chelsea, which I denied being with your highness but that indeed I went by the gardens as I went to see the Bishop of London’s house instead, she told me for their tokens which made me change colors who like a false wench took me with the manor.”
Then he says,
“for the which I render unto your highness my most humble and hearty thanks for by her company in default of yours I shall shorten the weeks in these parts which heretofore were three days longer in every of them than they were in Chelsea.”
You can’t say these aren’t love letters! The way they’re talking to each other. He’s like “I’m so happy I have your sister here when you’re not here, and I can’t wait to be with her again at Chelsea.” They were in love, people.
After that basically the letters they have more lovey-dovey stuff in it, but I’m sure most of you aren’t interested in hearing me read more about this. I do intend to make this into a blog too. So after the show I’ll post it so that everybody can go through and read it themselves as well. I think that’s only fair, then you can determine it yourself.
Heather:
Certainly, the love letters are beautiful.
What else is there besides these love letters that make you think that they were actually really in love?
Rebecca:
Just the letters. It just seems like, I guess I shouldn’t say just the letters. But also when we’re talking about Katherine on her deathbed, and Elizabeth’s confessions, the saying that Katherine said all these horrible things about Thomas, but then at the same time when we look at it, we also see where she talks about Thomas crawling in bed and holding Katherine to ease her, or sitting by the bed and holding her hand.
Why would he do that if he didn’t love her? Most men that time I think would just leave. They’d be like, “Whatever the old lady’s dying, I’m gonna go take care of business.” But he stayed with her. Even while she was still alive, he was really worried about protecting her name.
I think after the secret marriage came out, when everybody found out that they were married, there was a lot of bad talk about Katherine. So Thomas even tried to pass a bill through Parliament that was, he notes, to stop people from saying mean things about her. He was fighting for her. He was sticking up for her.
I think they were a good team together. When people say that she grounded him a little bit, or she was the reason to his insanity, he needed somebody more stable to put him in line, and to say “Okay, maybe we should calm down a little bit. Maybe we need to talk about this. Here’s what I think would be the best option.”
When she died, he no longer had that. I think everybody will agree that’s when he went off the rails. I mean he had lost this woman that he loved. He had this daughter with her but now he’s like “Great, I just lost the love of my life, and we have this baby and I’m not equipped to take care of a child.” I feel like he just he did. He went off the rails and he made a lot of poor decisions. Not to say that everything that he’s been accused of is true. I think some of the stuff he did do, but he was sad.
Heather:
And we all do rash things when we are sad.
Rebecca:
I do it when I’m happy
Heather:
For sure. But you can’t just be judged by one action, or ten actions, or fifty actions.
Rebecca:
Okay, maybe there are a few. I’m not saying he’s perfect. I’m really working on, for my nonfiction book on him, I’m kind of working on it at the same time as my fiction book. So my fiction book, I have the first draft finished, I’m working on the second draft which of course proves to be a little bit more difficult than I thought it was going to be.
When I get overwhelmed with editing that, then I go back over to the nonfiction book. I’m really looking forward to sharing everything that I’ve collected over the last three years. To show everybody all the evidence that I have and say “Okay, now let’s look at his act of attainder. Let’s look at the 33 charges against him. Let’s see things that he’s always been accused of are in that act of attainder.”
It seems odd to me that people just assume everything is true. When I look at him being found guilty of treason, and being beheaded, some of that I think was pushed on him or made to seem worse than it really was. I really want to be able to clear that up a bit, fom the end of his life. He was a popular guy. I mean in 1532 is when he got his first grant from King Henry VIII, so he wasn’t even brother-in-law to the king at that time.
Heather:
Like I said, I swear he is in heaven or the afterlife or wherever his soul is, out there in the universe, and he’s going “Finally somebody gets me. Rebecca gets me. It’s just taken 450 years, but somebody finally gets my soul.” You guys are going to have such long conversations then. He’s gonna be like “Rebecca, you saved my name. Thank you.” So you’re doing something really great for him.
Rebecca:
What should I ask from him in return? I don’t know, this is something I have time to think about. Like, “I cleared your name, what are you gonna do for me now?”
Heather:
This is a whole other different level of discussion.
Rebecca:
You’re right, sorry. I just went there.
Heather:
Maybe he could work some magic and make sure your book sells like a hundred thousand copies.
Rebecca:
Oh that would be amazing. I was like if I sell one, I’ll be happy.
Heather:
Now I want to ask you, and then I want to give you time to talk about your books and how people can support you and everything like that, because you actually do more than just talk about Thomas Seymour.
Rebecca:
I do, yes. Surprise!
Heather:
So I want you to tell me, and I’m gonna just ask this as being devil’s advocate here. The whole tickling with Elizabeth. Discuss.
Rebecca:
How did I know you’re gonna go there.
Heather:
I know I’m not the only person thinking this. Like I say, I don’t have an opinion. I don’t have a horse in this race. I don’t know enough to have an opinion but I am positive that there is someone out there watching this right now saying, “Oh but Elizabeth and the tickling! Elizabeth and the tickling!” So, for that one person, whoever they are, discuss.
Rebecca:
I’m gonna start this by talking about the alleged proposal to Elizabeth prior to him marrying Katherine. Because that was out there. I even fell for that one without understanding that the letter is more than likely fake. Because it’s been proven that Leti, the old historian I think from the 17th century, created fabricated letters.
So we have this letter from Elizabeth that supposedly is turning Thomas down on a marriage proposal. A lot of people stick to that. They still say that he proposed to Elizabeth before he married Katherine Parr. No no, he didn’t actually. I recently realized that I had an old blog post on Tudors Dynasty that had that letter and said the same thing. I was like, “Oh I better take this down.” I was ashamed because I thought well, here I am defending him, then I have this letter up on my blog.
Heather:
But did you say you were sorry to him? To Thomas?
Rebecca:
I didn’t. Thomas, I’m sorry, there I just did it for you.
So he didn’t propose to her before then. As far as the tickling, that happened at Hanworth or at Chelsea whichever place, I have such a hard time with that because obviously the only evidence that we have of anything is Kat Ashley‘s testimony about it.
I worry that Kat Ashley just said the things that she said about Thomas because she was worried about being tortured. They arrested her and Thomas Perry late at night and brought them to the Tower. How terrifying right? Anne Askew had been executed and tortured, what, like three years earlier? So it wasn’t something that couldn’t happen.
And so I think she had that in mind too when they went to the Tower. Even GW Bernard says that he believes that she was psychologically tortured. When you’re in that state sometimes, I think you’ll say anything just to be let go because you like “I’m gonna get them just to leave me alone and I’ll just say whatever they want me to say.”
Heather:
That’s why torture doesn’t really work because people just say whatever they want them to say.
Rebecca:
Right yeah, exactly. So I keep going back to the fact that we don’t have any testimony from any of Elizabeth’s other ladies in her household, which seems odd to me. Like why did they not interview any other of her ladies like they did for Katherine Howard?
With Katherine Howard, we know that they interviewed her ladies-in-waiting to find out what was going on. Why don’t we have any testimony from Elizabeth’s ladies if that was such a big deal? Why didn’t we hear from anybody else other than the people that Kat Ashley told?
That’s the part that kind of gets me a little bit too because we have Kat Ashley spreading all of these rumors. Of course the tale, it’s like the telephone game. Kat Ashley, she tells, I might get it mixed up here, I don’t remember if it’s Perry or Harrington. She tells one of them that Thomas Seymour caught Elizabeth in the gallery in an embrace with a man. Then she tells somebody else that no, it was Katherine Parr that caught Thomas and Elizabeth together.
So which is it Kat? It can’t be both of them. So to me then I just immediately throw that out the window. I go, “Okay, we’re just gonna negate that all together,” because we don’t know what the truth is. Even the person who’s telling the story is telling two different stories. So let’s throw that out.
The tickling really gets me, I’m torn on it because she was the daughter of Henry VIII. She was considered attractive when she was younger. She was very smart I would say she would probably be similar to a younger version of Katherine Parr. So was he flirtatious with her? I don’t know. It’s possible, he was a dude, you know. He was a guy during that time and it’s possible. But I don’t know that he would do the things that have been said that he did.
Heather:
And his wife was pregnant so he probably had that going on.
Rebecca:
Right, and it wasn’t unheard of for men to sleep around while their wife was pregnant.
Heather:
With the princess, sure.
Rebecca:
Maybe not with Princess Elizabeth. I just, I’m torn on that. I think hopefully I can come to a better conclusion for my book. Then I can say this is for certain what I think is the truth and then go with it. I already have ideas that I want to put out there for the book that maybe people haven’t been talking about or changing some views, long-standing myths about Thomas.
I just want to share him. I want everybody to love his story the way that I do. It’s so hard sometimes because I see in random threads on Facebook, I’ll see people say something about Thomas and Elizabeth, and I can just feel my blood boil. I can feel it my blood pressure rising and I’m like “Oh stop!” Repeating these things, because some of the things that are repeated aren’t true.
I always have to remind myself that with media and in the Tudor world, not everybody is as far along in researching and understanding it as I am or as some other people are who have been doing this for a while.
Heather:
I feel like that with Lady Margaret Beaufort. When I see people posting things about Lady Margaret Beaufort, and how horrible she was and how she killed the princes. Like the one show has her killing Jasper Tudor and it’s like “What are you talking about? I love Lady Margaret, stop it!”
Rebecca:
She definitely, yeah she hasn’t. History hasn’t been good to her either. It would be nice, I feel like she did a lot for the Tudors.
Heather:
I mean like she kind of made them happen.
Rebecca:
Yeah, she was the mother of them all, but she killed the princes.
Heather:
So I understand your feeling about Thomas because that’s how I feel about Lady Margaret. I’m glad that Thomas has a defender and that you are out there telling the story.
Which then leads me to asking you, so you do more than just Thomas Seymour. You do have the Thomas Seymour blog and Thomas Seymour page and stuff, but tell me about the other stuff you do. Because you also have a podcast and all that.
Rebecca:
Yeah, I do. Obviously I have TudorsDynasty.com, that’s where everything started. That’s where you’ll find articles on everything Tudor. You’ll find that sprinkling of some Thomas stuff in there too of course, but it’s just kind of a little bit of everything.
When I first started it was mostly about Tudor women and scandals and letters and stuff like that. As I’ve progressed with my research, I just try to expand it a little bit more and do stuff like Tudor food and maybe medicine, and stuff like that which maybe isn’t my comfort zone. But I know it’s something that other people are interested in. So if I don’t know then I find somebody who I think is an expert in it, and have them do a guest post. I have TudorsDynasty.com. I have the Facebook page, Twitter, Instagram. I think that’s it for TudorsDynasty.
Then I have I started the Thomas Seymour Society recently. I figured instead of just calling it Thomas Seymour blog, I would just create a society because I feel like that’s what I’m doing. I need to have that base to put everything about him on. So I created that. There’s also a Facebook page for that.
I also have my podcasts which I started, oh my gosh, this month is two years ago. Two years ago in February. I can’t believe it’s been two years already, so I have that. Right now I’m doing about two a month. The topics, just I kind of wing it. I never really know where I’m gonna go from month to month with the topics. Usually there’ll be something that will inspire me a little bit and then I’ll do the research and write it.
Lately life’s been a little bit crazy so I’ve been doing a lot more having guests on the show which is kind of nice. It makes doing the podcast a little bit easier. It’s nice to have somebody who’s an expert on the topic actually talking to everybody for me. So I have those two.
You can support me on Patreon if you’d like. You can become a patron on there. Anybody who’s familiar with Patreon knows that it starts at $1 that’s all. I’m grateful for anybody who even does $1 a month because you’ve taken the time to donate a dollar to help me pay for the expenses that go into creating a podcast and a blog and all that, so I appreciate that a lot.
Then, of course, I have the two books. Working on the fiction book about Thomas Seymour’s life and that is basically, I’m making that into my story about his life, and to fill in the blanks for things that we don’t know, like why didn’t he get married until he was 40? I answered those questions. Was he really responsible for killing the King’s dog? Was he really responsible for these other things? What were his relationships like with people? It’s been a lot of fun creating that story.
Then the nonfiction one, it’s obviously nonfiction so it’s gonna be more fact-based. I haven’t quite determined. Right now I’m thinking, that maybe it’ll just be mostly the end of his life since that’s the part that most people know, and really laying that out and explaining it to the world.
Heather:
Nice. You’re also gonna be at Tudorcon, right? So people can see you in person and discusss Thomas Seymour with you at length. I can’t wait.
Rebecca:
And heckle me. Melissa from a Tudor Writing Circle already told me she’s gonna heckle me, so I’m prepared.
Heather
So good times. Well, thank you and you know I just I tease you, it’s all in love, because I just know that you have an opinion that is not the majority opinion. But I’m proud of you for sharing this, and like I said, he’s up there and going “Thank you, Rebecca!” I’m just so thrilled about that you and Thomas Seymour have this bond through the–
Rebecca:
I just hope I have the story right. I just keep going, hope I have the story right, because if I’m glorifying all of this and it turns out that he really was a scumbag then I’m gonna feel really horrible.
Heather:
It’s all in the eye of the beholder, right? A scumbag to this person, is great for the other person. So it’s all in the eye of the beholder. It’s all good. So people can find you on your blog, on your podcast, and all that. Well thank you so much for sharing your Thomas love today.
Rebecca:
Yeah, thanks! Thank you so much for having me again, Heather. I’m so proud that this is my third one. I wish I could have done all four, but I’m proud and I’m very grateful that you’ve asked me to be on again.
Heather
Always a space for you at the Tudor Summit.
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